July 16, 2007 at 11:16 am #958philipMember
[b:1f394]Hi Dan[/b:1f394] [u:1f394][b:1f394]Mon 16 JULY 07[/b:1f394][/u:1f394]
[i:1f394]Just an email to tell you im not abit happy with egomotion the way you waisted myself philip and mick Nagle time with read throughs and rehersals for pork pies and then just dropped us like hot spuds because we couldnt be there for your time directors work is all day long not just your hours after work ok, i am really not pleased witrh the way we were treated ok… just to let you know dont waiste peoples time anymore [/i:1f394]ok..July 16, 2007 at 12:59 pm #3484
I’m very surprised that you would post up here about something like this in this manner , after we had a private conversation on the matter I thought we had reached an understanding , perhaps I’ll have to publicly restate what we agreed.
In egomotion we try to collaborate and co-operate to get shoots done. That spirit is there on professional paid shoots and on amateur creative shoots.
We each give the time and resources that we are able to, to any project we work on , and we never commit more than possible. If it happens that other commitments get in the way, we approach the filmmaker responsible , tell them the truth about it and explain why we don’t have the time . I think that all the actors and crew who use the forum do the same.
You and Mick both separately and individually approached Dan and informed him that you wouldn’t be able to commit time to the Pork Pies project. Dan accepted this and accepted your reasons for not having the time.
After Dan advertised for replacement actors you contacted him , because you felt that he should wait until you did have time to commit to the project. I felt Dan couldn’t stall his project for two actors , albeit lead roles , when so many others are committed to the project schedule. I told Dan to proceed with two new actors and contacted you directly and explained this to you . You accepted this at the time and as far as I knew we could look forward to working together in the future .
I am sorry you feel you wasted you’re time , but this forum is like most things in life , what you get out of it is directly related to what you put in.
Since the 17th of November last you have posted twice on this forum ( Including this thread. ) Several times you have contacted Dan and asked him to post on your behalf. I think that speaks volumes on yourself.
Best of luck in your future endeavours
SeanJuly 17, 2007 at 9:22 am #3485philipMember
i just what to tell you sean you have nothing to do with this so keep your face out of it ok know all.. dan waisted our time mick nagel and myself we told dan about our other project that we were doing he said ok and he saqid he would work around us well just to let you know im hearing about pork pies for months so i just take with a pinch of salt, it nice to know where you stand with egomotion its all about Dan and Sean get a life the both of you and stop dreaming film makers my arse….July 17, 2007 at 9:48 am #3486
Topic LockedJuly 17, 2007 at 11:54 am #3487DanMember
I am really gutted you have tried to attack both myself and Sean publicly on this, and i too regret that things didn’t work out on Pork Pies, I have said from the start that that film was written as a reason to work with yourself and mike, the parts were written for you. So no one is more gutted about this than me.
We have spent an hour doing a readthru of the script and 1 and a half hour doing a rehearsal, for this i apologise, i realise that for an hour of rehearsal there is more time involved with trying to organise an evening, ie getting to the venue and moving things around to be available. For this i am truly sorry.
It is true that I have been talking about this project with you and others for quite a while now, and it has taken longer than originally anticipated to get it moving, this has been due to rewrites, props and location hunting. I have also began to storyboard it, I have also said that this is a more ambitious project than i am used to working on, so there is a sharp learning curve involved.
I am guilty of having a job, this i do admit to, but i am afraid that i have to pay the bills somehow. It would be foolish of me or anyone else to go into short film-making as a full time job. The success rate for film-makers is such a tiny percentage. I never claimed to be a hollywood director or anything of the sort. For me film-making is a hobby an interest and a long term goal as it is for any and almost all of the members of egomotion.
I am afraid that there has been some major confusion arising from our phone conversations and text messages over the past few weeks. It was you not I initiated the concern about whether or not you would be able to make the shoot. You said you had too many commitments on and don’t know if yourself or Mick Nagle would be able to do the film. I immediately responded that i would try to accommodate yourselves, i said that we could work something out.
Following this conversation i received a txt message from Mick, (who i respect for his honesty and professionalism) He stated that he did not want to participate in the film due to a creative difference he had about a pair of sunglasses, he make it clear he did not want to work on the short if i wanted your character to wear the sunglasses which we had agreed on in rehearsals. To me this was a clear indication that Mick did not want to participate in the film, which is his God given right, at no time did i get annoyed with this and i completely respected his decision, a few days later you yourself called me and explained that you were up the walls, that you had a paid acting job just came in and you couldn’t afford to turn it down, which made you even less available for pork pies, i said i completely understand and that there are no hard feelings. I couldn’t expect you to commit to a no budget job if i knew you had to turn down a paid role, this is obvious.
What i took from this conversation was that i now had to go looking for some new actors for pork pies. I then posted a topic on the forum for any others actors that would like to act in the short film, at this stage you then contacted me again and asked me to take the topic down, that you and mick wanted to play the parts, that you always wanted to play these parts. you said that i would have to work around you to have you in the film, you said you were available from about 2-7 any weekday, which as most of us know is impossible for anyone with a full time job to be able to commit to.
At this stage it became increasingly difficult to figure out how i was going to work with you, I had the feeling that you did not really want to take part in the film, that you weren’t happy with my creative decisions or the time that the film would be shot. I have written the film, i want to create the film, i want to do as good a job I can of it, I felt that there is no way i could have some one else no matter who they were dictate terms to me on my own film. I would have expected you to have understood this as you yourself have created and directed films also.
I then approached Sean who "as always" is involved with Pork Pies, Sean agreed that there is no way we could get this film shot to the level we want it done at if there was going to be this much confusion already before we even began shooting, we both made the decision that it would be best if we got different actors to play the main parts, it was unfair of us to expect you to commit to something when you had so much going on at the moment. We had hoped that we could work with both yourself and mick at a later date when your schedule became free. Sean said he would contact you and so i left it at that.
Why you would feel the need to attack us about this publicly has truly shocked me, I really thought that we had a friendship beyond the world of film-making, we have had some good fun over the past months at the meet n greets and future shorts night, we have supported both your play and your film by attending your play, we have attended your production meetings, we have screened your film at future shorts, we provided you with a platform to discuss your film and future projects, we have posted searches for actors and crew on you behalf on the forum we have even mentioned your name in publicity we have received in newspapers, so if you feel we have wasted your time then we apologise.
I would like wish you all the best in your future endeavours and hope that this unfortunate set of circumstances can be put behind us.
Daniel O’ConnellJuly 17, 2007 at 11:55 am #3488DanMember"Sean":0dd75 wrote:Last Word.
sorry for reopening the topic but i felt i should have a say, i promise i have not attacked anyone.July 17, 2007 at 11:59 am #3489
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